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	<title>Comments on: Why the fuss over Twitter when Facebook is the place for travel?</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Head</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think twitter has serious legs for swift response customer service - as Jetblue (@jetblue) and Easyjet (@easyjetcare) are doing. But yes, I do agree with you Kevin. I see USEFUL apps for Facebook being a really smart addition to any travel co&#039;s social media strategy in 2010 - and that&#039;s NOT about creating something funky or cool for the hell of it - it&#039;s more about accessing their products/booking details/account via Facebook rather than having to log in via the travel cos website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think twitter has serious legs for swift response customer service &#8211; as Jetblue (@jetblue) and Easyjet (@easyjetcare) are doing. But yes, I do agree with you Kevin. I see USEFUL apps for Facebook being a really smart addition to any travel co&#8217;s social media strategy in 2010 &#8211; and that&#8217;s NOT about creating something funky or cool for the hell of it &#8211; it&#8217;s more about accessing their products/booking details/account via Facebook rather than having to log in via the travel cos website.</p>
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		<title>By: Tnooz List: First Tweet from 50 travel companies &#124; Tnooz</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1813</link>
		<dc:creator>Tnooz List: First Tweet from 50 travel companies &#124; Tnooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doubts continue over the long term relevancy of Twitter as a meaningful tool to promote product or engage customers &#8211; but travel firms across the world have embraced it with open arms. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doubts continue over the long term relevancy of Twitter as a meaningful tool to promote product or engage customers &#8211; but travel firms across the world have embraced it with open arms. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1755</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with comments here they&#039;re different animals with different audiences and different usage. Almost none of my non travel or non tech industry friends would use Twitter but they almost all use FB.

@Kevin I think your theory of brand engagment on Twitter because of simplicity could be expanded to include it being a perceived path of least resistance where brands, trying to make sense of Social Media, can get more followers faster on Twitter. Are those followers less engaged than they are on Facebook where people are in &#039;their own&#039; social space and the interaction is more than just a status update.

We agree with TravelMuse, as such Facebook has been a much higher priority of the new Tourabout platform than Twitter. Although it distributes an operators interactions to both their Twitter and Facebook accounts we spent far longer evaluating and developing the key social features (including Answers - ask friends, the wider travel community and the expertise of Tour Operators, activity providers and DMO&#039;s to understand destinations) of the new platform inside Facebook.

We look forward to the demo at PhoCusWright and meeting at #tcamp1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with comments here they&#8217;re different animals with different audiences and different usage. Almost none of my non travel or non tech industry friends would use Twitter but they almost all use FB.</p>
<p>@Kevin I think your theory of brand engagment on Twitter because of simplicity could be expanded to include it being a perceived path of least resistance where brands, trying to make sense of Social Media, can get more followers faster on Twitter. Are those followers less engaged than they are on Facebook where people are in &#8216;their own&#8217; social space and the interaction is more than just a status update.</p>
<p>We agree with TravelMuse, as such Facebook has been a much higher priority of the new Tourabout platform than Twitter. Although it distributes an operators interactions to both their Twitter and Facebook accounts we spent far longer evaluating and developing the key social features (including Answers &#8211; ask friends, the wider travel community and the expertise of Tour Operators, activity providers and DMO&#8217;s to understand destinations) of the new platform inside Facebook.</p>
<p>We look forward to the demo at PhoCusWright and meeting at #tcamp1</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McKee</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1738</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nathan

Definitely, realism not disillusion with Twitter!

Actually we&#039;ve just started a purely online B2B client campaign for Tourism Ireland, promoting business tourism, and although I&#039;ve found research suggesting meeting planners &amp; business travel execs use FB more than Twitter, from a networking perspective Twitter&#039;s been easier to engage on so far. Only in our first week though so time will tell on that one! 

You&#039;re right though, can be difficult to see specific brand mentions on FB, but then there are also some great tools for overall monitoring on there, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/lexicon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Facebook Lexicon&lt;/a&gt;. And if you bring the conversation to you, on your page, then you can really engage and the insight tools are great. Users are going to be self conscious to a degree but it depends what your primary aim is - to monitor or to engage. I think I&#039;d argue engaging has more value, especially for &#039;ambient awareness&#039;. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nathan</p>
<p>Definitely, realism not disillusion with Twitter!</p>
<p>Actually we&#8217;ve just started a purely online B2B client campaign for Tourism Ireland, promoting business tourism, and although I&#8217;ve found research suggesting meeting planners &amp; business travel execs use FB more than Twitter, from a networking perspective Twitter&#8217;s been easier to engage on so far. Only in our first week though so time will tell on that one! </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though, can be difficult to see specific brand mentions on FB, but then there are also some great tools for overall monitoring on there, like <a href="http://www.facebook.com/lexicon" rel="nofollow">Facebook Lexicon</a>. And if you bring the conversation to you, on your page, then you can really engage and the insight tools are great. Users are going to be self conscious to a degree but it depends what your primary aim is &#8211; to monitor or to engage. I think I&#8217;d argue engaging has more value, especially for &#8216;ambient awareness&#8217;. <img src='http://www.tnooz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Midgley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Midgley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with all this. But I&#039;d like to think of it as a new realism about Twitter&#039;s value rather than disillusionment. A lot of the hype about T was based on traditional metrics - &#039;10 million users&#039; and the like - that were just meaningless in this context. Twitter was never going to deliver volume, but because the traditional measures of value on the web are all about volume, that&#039;s what the story became.

In fact its value is quick, easy access to a fairly small number of like-minded people and contacts (for casual and journo users, as Sam says) and, for certain kinds of business, &#039;ambient awareness&#039; (Adam @adders Tinworth&#039;s phrase) of and from their most engaged customers. Ian&#039;s comparison of B2B/B2C is really interesting.

Wondering about monitoring though. How good is FB for tracking what ppl are saying about the brand? Hard to monitor there unless they&#039;re in the brand&#039;s space, which makes comments more self-conscious. IMO...

Great post Kev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with all this. But I&#8217;d like to think of it as a new realism about Twitter&#8217;s value rather than disillusionment. A lot of the hype about T was based on traditional metrics &#8211; &#8217;10 million users&#8217; and the like &#8211; that were just meaningless in this context. Twitter was never going to deliver volume, but because the traditional measures of value on the web are all about volume, that&#8217;s what the story became.</p>
<p>In fact its value is quick, easy access to a fairly small number of like-minded people and contacts (for casual and journo users, as Sam says) and, for certain kinds of business, &#8216;ambient awareness&#8217; (Adam @adders Tinworth&#8217;s phrase) of and from their most engaged customers. Ian&#8217;s comparison of B2B/B2C is really interesting.</p>
<p>Wondering about monitoring though. How good is FB for tracking what ppl are saying about the brand? Hard to monitor there unless they&#8217;re in the brand&#8217;s space, which makes comments more self-conscious. IMO&#8230;</p>
<p>Great post Kev.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buhler</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buhler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter and Facebook are two very different animals in my opinion and for that reason are called differently. Twitter is a micro-blogging tool with more similarities with texting and blogs. Facebook is a social network and although I can update my status there it does so much more and, as stated, requires more involvement and time investment. 

I would never advise a company to focus on any one tool, especially in it&#039;s über-cool phase but try it out as an add-on to other communications options. But, as always, once the hype machine starts its engine, the attention focuses on whatever that latest hype is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter and Facebook are two very different animals in my opinion and for that reason are called differently. Twitter is a micro-blogging tool with more similarities with texting and blogs. Facebook is a social network and although I can update my status there it does so much more and, as stated, requires more involvement and time investment. </p>
<p>I would never advise a company to focus on any one tool, especially in it&#8217;s über-cool phase but try it out as an add-on to other communications options. But, as always, once the hype machine starts its engine, the attention focuses on whatever that latest hype is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McKee</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian McKee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very much agree. Promoting our agency (a B2B endeavour) works better on Twitter as there we&#039;re networking, but for our client work (B2C) Facebook has been way more effective. 

Example: 
Our New Mexico FB page: http://www.facebook.com/NewMexicoTourism
Our New Mexico Twitter: http://twitter.com/NMtourism 

Not only is there a gaping difference in numbers, I can also tell you that in terms of interaction (which is the great benefit of using social media for marketing) FB is massively more effective.

Aside from the fact that (despite what the media hype may lead us to believe) more general consumers are using FB, travel marketing needs to be visual, and therefore lends itself better to the more media rich Facebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very much agree. Promoting our agency (a B2B endeavour) works better on Twitter as there we&#8217;re networking, but for our client work (B2C) Facebook has been way more effective. </p>
<p>Example:<br />
Our New Mexico FB page: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/NewMexicoTourism" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/NewMexicoTourism</a><br />
Our New Mexico Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/NMtourism" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/NMtourism</a> </p>
<p>Not only is there a gaping difference in numbers, I can also tell you that in terms of interaction (which is the great benefit of using social media for marketing) FB is massively more effective.</p>
<p>Aside from the fact that (despite what the media hype may lead us to believe) more general consumers are using FB, travel marketing needs to be visual, and therefore lends itself better to the more media rich Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Daams</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Daams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I just think Twitter appeals to people like us; business owners, journalists, people trying to figure out the next big thing etc. For everyone else, and that&#039;s arguably 95%+ of the world&#039;s population, Facebook is way more interesting. Not to even mention the stickiness factor, features, and tens of thousands of apps that extend it&#039;s value. Give me 1% ownership in FB over Twitter any day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I just think Twitter appeals to people like us; business owners, journalists, people trying to figure out the next big thing etc. For everyone else, and that&#8217;s arguably 95%+ of the world&#8217;s population, Facebook is way more interesting. Not to even mention the stickiness factor, features, and tens of thousands of apps that extend it&#8217;s value. Give me 1% ownership in FB over Twitter any day <img src='http://www.tnooz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin May</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: The way many brands behave, you would presume Facebook doesn&#039;t exist. 

Do you think therefore that perhaps Twitter simplicity is what has made it so attraction, rather than Facebook which arguably needs slightly more airtime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: The way many brands behave, you would presume Facebook doesn&#8217;t exist. </p>
<p>Do you think therefore that perhaps Twitter simplicity is what has made it so attraction, rather than Facebook which arguably needs slightly more airtime?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Daams</title>
		<link>http://www.tnooz.com/2009/11/12/news/why-the-fuss-over-twitter-when-facebook-is-the-place-for-travel/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Daams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said this for ages now: you&#039;d be a fool to focus on Twitter if your business is B2C. It&#039;s really about as close as you can get to throwing resources out the window imho. It&#039;s good to see other business owners not just following the hype, but actually thinking through the business case a little.

I love Twitter, but only for communicating with other people in the industry that I don&#039;t have a chance to connect with otherwise. It&#039;s also a good way to let steam off in an otherwise hectic day. But that&#039;s me, as a person. Sure, it extends somewhat to the brand, but it definitely won&#039;t (ever?!) pay the bills. I doubt it will ever be able to pay its own bills....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said this for ages now: you&#8217;d be a fool to focus on Twitter if your business is B2C. It&#8217;s really about as close as you can get to throwing resources out the window imho. It&#8217;s good to see other business owners not just following the hype, but actually thinking through the business case a little.</p>
<p>I love Twitter, but only for communicating with other people in the industry that I don&#8217;t have a chance to connect with otherwise. It&#8217;s also a good way to let steam off in an otherwise hectic day. But that&#8217;s me, as a person. Sure, it extends somewhat to the brand, but it definitely won&#8217;t (ever?!) pay the bills. I doubt it will ever be able to pay its own bills&#8230;.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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